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PR980356
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AUSTRALIAN INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS COMMISSION

Workplace Relations Act 1996
s.120 - Appeal against the order [PR978080] issued on 29 August 2007
by Senior Deputy President Hamberger

Appeal by Telstra Corporation Limited
(C2007/3458)

s.643 application for relief in respect of termination of employment

Carlie Streeter

and

Telstra Corporation Limited
(U2007/3324)

SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT ACTON
SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT CARTWRIGHT
COMMISSIONER LARKIN

MELBOURNE, 24 JANUARY 2008

Appeal – termination of employment.

DECISION OF SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT ACTON AND
SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT CARTWRIGHT

Introduction

[1] This matter concerns an appeal, for which leave is required, by Telstra Corporation Limited (Telstra) against an order 1 made by Senior Deputy President Hamberger on 29 August 2007.

[2] Senior Deputy President Hamberger’s order followed a decision 2 by his Honour on an application by Ms Carlie Streeter to the Commission for relief in respect of the termination of her employment by Telstra. In her application, Ms Streeter alleged the termination of her employment was harsh, unjust or unreasonable.

[3] His Honour’s order provided for Ms Streeter to be reinstated to a Telstra retail store as close to Miranda in New South Wales as practicable. The order also provided for Ms Streeter to be reinstated to a similar position to the one she held immediately prior to the termination of her employment by Telstra and on no less favourable terms. Further, the order provided for Ms Streeter to be paid an amount in respect of the remuneration lost by her because of the termination and for her service with Telstra to be treated as continuous for the purpose of leave accrual.

Circumstances Surrounding the Termination

[4] The circumstances surrounding the termination of Ms Streeter’s employment by Telstra, in summary, are these:

(26) Telstra had concluded “it would just be really difficult to have these people function in a work environment after what had occurred that night” 13 of 24-25 February 2007. Telstra had also concluded that “given the way respect was breached and the harassment that occurred, there was no way that these people could work together in the store.”14

Senior Deputy President Hamberger’s Decision

[5] In considering whether the termination of Ms Streeter’s employment was harsh, unjust or unreasonable, Senior Deputy President Hamberger said:

[6] His Honour concluded Ms Streeter’s activities on 24 February 2007 either could not be characterised as sexual harassment or, even if considered sexual harassment, were only of the most indirect kind.

[7] His Honour continued as follows:

[8] His Honour then went on to consider remedy.

Bases for Appeal

[9] Before us Telstra submitted, in effect, that Senior Deputy President Hamberger made errors of the type set out in House v King 18 in concluding Ms Streeter’s dishonesty with Telstra during its investigation into her activities on 24-25 February 2007 in the room at Hotel B did not constitute a valid reason for the termination of Ms Streeter’s employment. We agree.

[10] In House v King, Dixon, Evatt and McTiernan JJ said:

[11] Following the events of 24-25 February 2007, the first employee presented to Telstra as hysterical. The second employee was not able to work as she was crying and hyperventilating. The third employee was equally distressed and disgusted. Telstra was made aware that Ms Streeter was associated with the condition of these employees.

[12] In the circumstances, we think it was reasonable for Telstra to investigate the matter and it was reasonable for Telstra to suspend the employees and Ms Streeter while it conducted the investigation.

[13] During of the investigation, Telstra was advised by the first employee that she was repulsed by Ms Streeter and did not want to be expected to talk to her. The second employee told Telstra she felt “really disrespected” 20 by the activities in which Ms Streeter was involved in the room at Hotel B on 24-25 February 2007. The third employee told Telstra she was “blown out21 by Ms Streeter’s lack of dignity.

[14] Ms Streeter was unco-operative and dishonest with Telstra during the investigation. In response to questions asked of her, she denied activities she knew had occurred or stated that she had “no comment”. She also claimed a lack of memory with respect to certain activities. As Senior Deputy President Hamberger points out, Ms Streeter concedes she lied to Telstra during the investigation. 22

[15] Ms Streeter’s dishonesty would have been of little relevance to Telstra if her activities had had no effect at her work and were not likely to have any effect at her work. However, it appeared her activities had caused difficulties at her work and were likely to cause difficulties at her work in the future. In the circumstances, we think Telstra’s questions of Ms Streeter during its investigation were reasonable. Ms Streeter needed to be honest with Telstra about her activities, notwithstanding their inherently personal nature, so that Telstra could determine and take appropriate action to deal with the difficulties.

[16] For example, the first employee, second employee and third employee may have needed to be disciplined because they had fabricated Ms Streeter’s activities or they may have needed to be counselled because they were reacting unreasonably to her activities. Further, the difficulties may have been able to be overcome by some form of facilitated discussions between the first employee, second employee and third employee, on the one hand, and Ms Streeter, on the other hand, or by transferring Ms Streeter to another Telstra store.

[17] Ms Streeter’s dishonesty with Telstra during the investigation, however, meant Telstra could not be confident Ms Streeter would be honest with it in the future. The relationship of trust and confidence between Telstra and Ms Streeter was, thereby, destroyed.

[18] As Telstra put to Senior Deputy President Hamberger in closing submissions:

[19] Senior Deputy President Hamberger concluded Ms Streeter’s dishonesty with Telstra during its investigation into her activities on 24-25 February 2007 in the room at Hotel B did not constitute a valid reason for the termination of Ms Streeter’s employment because the dishonesty was about activities of an inherently personal nature and he had no reason to believe Ms Streeter was dishonest when it came to stock or cash.

[20] We think the restricted view his Honour adopted of Ms Streeter’s obligation for honesty in her employment led him into error of the type set out in House v King24 Stock or cash are only a part of the matters Ms Streeter needed to be honest about to maintain the necessary relationship of trust and confidence between Telstra and herself. Whether the matters were personal or not, Ms Streeter had an obligation to answer Telstra’s reasonable inquiries honestly. In the circumstances, we do not see that the necessary relationship of trust and confidence can be compartmentalised as his Honour has done.

[21] Accordingly, we grant leave to appeal. We will now determine whether the termination of Ms Streeter’s employment by Telstra was harsh, unjust or unreasonable.

Harsh, Unjust or Unreasonable

[22] Section 652(3) of the Workplace Relations Act 1996 (Cth) (the Act) provides as follows:

[23] We are satisfied there was a valid reason for the termination of Ms Streeter’s employment by Telstra related to her conduct, being her dishonesty with Telstra during the investigation it conducted on 28 February 2007 and 14 March 2007 into her activities in the room at Hotel B on 24-25 February 2007. We think it was reasonable for Telstra to conduct the investigation given it appeared her activities had caused difficulties at her work and were likely to cause difficulties at her work in the future. In the circumstances, we also think the questions Telstra asked Ms Streeter were reasonable. We think Ms Streeter needed to be honest with Telstra during the investigation, notwithstanding the inherently personal nature of her activities, so that Telstra could determine and take appropriate action to deal with the difficulties. Ms Streeter’s dishonesty during the investigation meant Telstra could not be confident Ms Streeter would be honest with it in the future. The relationship of trust and confidence between Telstra and Ms Streeter was, thereby, destroyed.

[24] We are also satisfied Ms Streeter was notified of the valid reason for the termination of her employment and given an opportunity to respond. On 14 March 2007, Telstra made it clear to Ms Streeter that they thought she had been dishonest with them during the investigation. Ms Streeter’s reply was “No comment”. Ms Streeter was then warned by Telstra that her dishonesty was placing her employment in jeopardy. She was asked by Telstra whether there was anything she wished to say or further information she wanted to provide to prevent the termination of her employment. Ms Streeter’s reply was “No”.

[25] We do not believe s.652(3)(d) of the Act is relevant in this case, given the termination of employment related to Ms Streeter’s conduct.

[26] Telstra is a large employer with dedicated human resource management. We think the procedures it followed in effecting the termination of Ms Streeter’s employment were appropriate.

[27] In respect of s.652(3)(g) of the Act, we think it weighs in favour of a conclusion that the termination of Ms Streeter’s employment by Telstra was harsh, unjust or unreasonable that Ms Streeter had worked for Telstra since 2002, that her employment record with Telstra had previously been satisfactory and that her termination was without notice.

[28] We are not persuaded Ms Streeter has suffered any loss of confidence or self esteem as a result of the termination of her employment. We are also not persuaded the potential loss of employment opportunities for Ms Streeter through the Commission finding Ms Streeter was dishonest to Telstra is relevant to whether the termination of her employment was harsh, unjust or unreasonable.

[29] In all the circumstances, however, having regard to our conclusions in respect of the matters in s.652(3)(a) to (g) of the Act, we have decided the termination of Ms Streeter’s employment by Telstra was not harsh, unjust or unreasonable. In our view, in this case, the matters weighing in favour of a finding the termination of Ms Streeter’s employment by Telstra was not harsh, unjust or unreasonable outweigh the matters in favour of a finding to the contrary. In so deciding, we have been conscious of the objects of the relevant Division of the Act and, in particular, our decision has been made in the context of the need to ensure a “fair go all round” is accorded both to Ms Streeter and Telstra.

[30] Accordingly, we uphold the appeal and will quash the decision and order of Senior Deputy President Hamberger. A copy of an order quashing his Honour’s decision and order is attached.

BY THE COMMISSION:

SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT

DECISION OF COMMISSIONER LARKIN

[31] This is an appeal, for which leave is required, by Telstra Corporation Limited (Telstra) against an order [PR978080] made by Senior Deputy President Hamberger on 29 August 2007. The order followed a decision Streeter v Telstra Corporation Ltd [2007] AIRC 679 (10 August 2007) of his Honour on 10 August 2007 in connection with an application made pursuant to s.643 of the Workplace Relations Act 1996 (Cth) (the Act) by Ms. Streeter for a remedy in relation to the termination of her employment by Telstra. His Honour’s order reinstated Ms. Streeter to a retail Telstra store as close to the retail store in which she had been employed prior to the termination of her employment, on terms no less favourable. The order also awarded an amount for remuneration lost and Ms. Streeter’s service to be treated as continuous.

[32] I have had the benefit of reading the majority decision in this matter of their Honours Senior Deputy Presidents Acton and Cartwright. With respect I disagree with that decision. My reasons follow.

[33] The appeal is brought pursuant to s.120(1)(a) of the Act. The Full Bench in Big W Montaro Warehouse/590 Regional Distribution Centre [2007] AIRCFB 1049 at [2] said:

[34] A decision made pursuant to s.643 is a discretionary one. Section 685(2) makes clear that a decision of this nature can only be challenged by establishing error in the decision-making process. The section states:

[35] There were six grounds of appeal relied upon by the appellant in this matter. In summary it was contended his Honour:

[36] The principles governing a Full Bench on appeal from a discretionary decision at first instance are well known and applied by this Commission as they were expressed in House v King (1936) 55 CLR 499 at 504-505:

[37] In Norbis v Norbis (1986) 161 CLR 513 at 518-519 per Mason and Deane JJ. it was said:

[38] I will now address each of the grounds relied upon by the appellant to establish error.

[39] Ground 1 of the appeal contended that his Honour failed to perform the task required of him under s.652(3)(a) to consider and make findings on the effect of the conduct on other employees. The proper construction of the terms “(including its effect on the safety and welfare of other employees)” found in s.652(3)(a) was not an argument put to his Honour at first instance but raised on appeal by the appellant. The appellant conceded as much (PN102).

[40] It is correct as the appellant contended, that the Commission must have regard to the matters identified in s.652(3). It is for the Commission to determine whether the conduct occurred and what that conduct involved (Edwards v Justice Guidice [1999] FCA 1836; Michael King v Freshmore (Vic) Pty Ltd M Print S4213, 17 March 2000 (Ross VP, Williams SDP, Hingely C)). This, in my view, his Honour did. Although his Honour does not specifically state that he had regard to the effect of the conduct on the welfare of other employees it is apparent, in my view, from the decision as a whole that this point was not ignored by his Honour in his consideration of s.652(3)(a) of the Act.

[41] It is not appropriate for a Full Bench to grant leave to appeal on the basis of an argument which was not clearly and fully put at first instance and determined by the primary decision maker.

[42] The Full Bench in Big W Montaro Warehouse/590 Regional Distribution Centre [2007] AIRCFB 1049 at [12] to [14], stated:

[43] In my view it would be wrong for a Full Bench on an appeal such as this one to allow the appeal on the basis of an argument not put to his Honour in the proceedings at first instance.

[44] The second ground of appeal contended that his Honour failed to make certain findings of fact.

[45] I am not satisfied that this ground has been made out. On a fair reading of his Honour’s decision he dealt with and made findings on issues relevant to a determination of the matter. His Honour, in my view, was not required to deal with and make specific findings on each point raised by the appellant. It is not necessary that his Honour deal with every matter raised in the proceedings. What is required are findings and reasons for those findings which deal with the substantive issues relevant to a determination of the matter. This, in my view, his Honour did.

[46] At [123] his Honour stated that the “main allegations used to justify the termination…concern sexual harassment”. In his decision, his Honour specifically considered and made findings on the appellant’s reasons for the decision to terminate on the basis of serious misconduct. Those reasons are found at paragraph [3] of the decision as follows:

[47] In considering the reasons for the termination and the submissions put at first instance (see AB 1 of 3 at page 036 – 037, Outline of Submissions of the Respondent), his Honour considered the issues and made findings on each, with the exception of one incident raised by the appellant, being the 3rd incident. His Honour’s consideration and findings are found at [41], [128], [129], [132] to [141], [8], [142] to [145], [19] and [126] of his decision. I am satisfied that his Honour’s findings dealt with all the relevant matters before him. As was stated in the Full Bench decision in Britax Rainsfords Pty Ltd PR904285, 24 August 2001 (Munro J, O’Callaghan SDP, Foggo C) at [54]:

[48] The third ground of appeal concerned his Honour’s approach in determining whether the conduct constituted sexual harassment.

[49] I am not persuaded that his Honour took a narrow approach. In the decision, his Honour deals with this point from [123] to [141]. At paragraph [135] of his Honour’s decision he para-phrased what was said in Carter v Linuki in respect to “conduct in relation to”. At [140] of his Honour’s decision he set out the argument put to him by the appellant that the relevant connection was the physical proximity. At [141] his Honour sets out his reason for his findings that he did not consider the conduct to constitute sexual harassment, however, he added that if it were considered to be sexual harassment it was of the most indirect kind. I am not satisfied that his Honour took an unduly narrow approach to the interpretation of the term “in relation to”.

[50] The fourth ground of appeal contended a failure to make necessary findings in his Honour’s consideration of the question of re-instatement.

[51] The decision to make an order that provides for a remedy under s.654 is a discretionary decision subject to the Commission’s satisfaction that the remedy ordered is appropriate, having regard to all the circumstances of the case including the factors outlined at paragraphs (a) to (e) of s.654(2). The first consideration, if the Commission decides to make an order, is reinstatement, if the Commission considers it appropriate (s.654(3)).

[52] His Honour had regard to s.654(2) and, as he stated “all the circumstances of the case”. The remedy sought was reinstatement. There was evidence before his Honour going to the difficulty of reinstatement to the Miranda store. While his Honour’s reasons on the issue of remedy are not lengthy, in my view, on a fair reading of the decision as a whole, his reasons to make the order that he did were clear. In his decision he considered and made findings in relation to the issue of dishonesty at paragraphs [4], [8], [143] and [145].

[53] At paragraph [143] of the decision he said:

[54] After considering the Full Bench decision in McIndoe v BHP Coal his Honour said:

[55] His Honour’s consideration of the evidence given by Mr. Forner is but one part of his overall considerations.

[56] The following submission, found at [68]-[69] of his Honour’s decision, was put on behalf of the applicant:

[57] In the proceedings his Honour sought clarification from Ms. Streeter in relation to the second interview conducted by Telstra.

[58] There were further questions and answers on this point contained within the transcript at first instance, however, I go no further. While minds may differ as to the gravity of Ms. Streeter’s dishonesty his Honour addressed this issue and made findings. His Honour’s findings on the issue of dishonesty were open to him on the material before him. Furthermore, his Honour had the benefit of observing the witnesses in the giving of their evidence before him in the proceedings. I am not satisfied that error in the House v King sense has been made out on this ground of appeal.

[59] The remaining grounds of appeal concern his Honour’s consideration of whether there was a valid reason for the termination.

[60] It was put on appeal that his Honour misconstrued and/or misapplied the test for what constitutes a valid reason for termination. The appellant argued on appeal that his Honour erred in not taking into account a range of considerations. Further, his Honour erred in asking the wrong question, which required the appellant to justify the termination. This it was said was the common law approach to summary dismissal and inconsistent with authority on assessing the question of valid reason for termination. It was argued on appeal that his Honour’s error is found at paragraphs [147] and [150] of the decision in respect to the terms used of “so bad” and “not so serious”. No challenge was made in relation to paragraphs [148] and [149] of the decision. I set out those paragraphs as follows:

[61] I am not satisfied that his Honour elevated the valid reason test too highly. At paragraph [112] of the decision his Honour set out the legislative requirements which he was required to have regard to. I am not persuaded that his Honour posed the wrong question to be answered in the matter by the use of the terms complained of. His Honour’s reason for decision must be read as a whole and fairly considered. It is inappropriate “to adopt a narrow approach, combing through the words of the decision-maker with a fine appellate tooth-comb, against the prospect that a verbal slip will be found warranting the inference of an error of law”. Minister For Immigration and Ethnic Affairs v Wu Shang Liang [1996] HCA 6 at 24 per Kirby J; (1996) 185 CLR 259 at 291 per Kirby J.

[62] I have previously in my decision, in considering the second ground of appeal, addressed the contention of error on his Honour’s part in not taking into account a range of considerations. On a fair reading of his Honour’s decision as a whole he dealt with the matters relevant to the determination he was required to make under s.652(3) of the Act. I am not satisfied that error has been established in that his Honour failed to give proper consideration to other matters.

[63] I am not satisfied that there is an arguable case that his Honour’s decision involved an error of the type identified in House v King. I am not satisfied that his Honour acted upon a wrong principle, gave weight to irrelevant matters, failed to give sufficient weight to relevant matters or made a mistake as to the facts or that the decision was plainly unreasonable or unjust in the circumstances of the case before him.

[64] It is of no consequence whether members of the Full Bench may have arrived at a different conclusion or approached the matter in a different manner. Error must be shown and I am not satisfied that the appellant has made out an arguable case of error in his Honour’s decision or order. I cannot discern any public interest considerations in granting leave to appeal in this matter.

[65] I would refuse leave to appeal.

BY THE COMMISSION:

COMMISSIONER

Appearances:

D Mortimer of Senior Counsel with S Wood of Counsel for the appellant

A Hatcher of Counsel with K Durant for the respondent.

Hearing details:

2007.
Sydney:
October 24.

PR980362

AUSTRALIAN INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS COMMISSION

Workplace Relations Act 1996
s.120 - Appeal against the order [PR978080] issued on 29 August 2007
by Senior Deputy President Hamberger

Appeal by Telstra Corporation Limited
(C2007/3458)

s.643 application for relief in respect of termination of employment

Carlie Streeter

and

Telstra Corporation Limited
(U2007/3324)

SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT ACTON
SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT CARTWRIGHT
COMMISSIONER LARKIN

MELBOURNE, 24 JANUARY 2008

Appeal – termination of employment.

ORDER OF
SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT ACTON AND SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT CARTWRIGHT

Further to the decision of Senior Deputy President Acton and Senior Deputy President Cartwright of 24 January 2008 [[2008] AIRCFB 15], the Commission orders that:

1. Leave to appeal in matter C2007/3458 is granted.

2. The appeal is upheld.

3. The termination of the employment of Ms Carlie Streeter by Telstra Corporation Limited on 14 March 2007 was not harsh, unjust or unreasonable.

4. The decision of Senior Deputy President Hamberger made on 10 August 2007 [[2007] AIRC 679] is quashed.

5. The order of Senior Deputy President Hamberger made on 29 August 2007 [PR978080] is quashed.

BY THE COMMISSION:

SENIOR DEPUTY PRESIDENT

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 1  Endnotes:

Streeter v Telstra Corporation Limited, PR978080, 29 August 2007 per Hamberger SDP.

 2   Streeter v Telstra Corporation Limited, [2007] AIRC 679, 10 August 2007 per Hamberger SDP.

 3   Exhibit T8 at paragraph 11

 4   Ibid at paragraph 13.

5 Ibid at paragraph 14.

 6   Exhibit T6 at Attachment DBH1.

 7   Exhibit T6 at paragraph 55.

 8   Exhibit T9 at Attachment AA1.

 9   Exhibit T7 at Attachment JLB1.

 10   Exhibit MK3.

 11   Ibid.

 12   Ibid.

 13   Transcript at PN1006.

 14   Exhibit T3 at paragraph 9.

 15   Exhibit T8 at paragraph 15.

 16   Streeter v Telstra Corporation Limited, [2007] AIRC 679, 10 August 2007 per Hamberger SDP at paragraphs 114-115, 117-118, 121-124.

 17   Ibid at paragraphs 142-151.

 18   (1936) 55 CLR 499.

 19   House v King, (1936) 55 CLR 499 at 504-505

 20   Exhibit T9 at Attachment AA1.

 21   Exhibit T7 at Attachment JLB1

 22   Streeter v Telstra Corporation Limited, [2007] AIRC 679, 10 August 2007 per Hamberger SDP at paragraphs
8 and 143.

 23   Transcript at PN2819.

 24   (1936) 55 CLR 499 at 505.

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